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Who Will Win 2016

The question is: "Who will win the Presidential Election of 2016 ?"

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It is time for the quadrennial crap shoot.

In this race there is a little room for confusion. Both contenders are American born citizens. One born in New York City, New York. The other in Chcago, Illinois.

Hillary Clinton was born in Chicago and grew up in the suburb of Park Ridge, Illinois. She attended Wellesley College, graduating in 1969, and earned a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1973. There are conflicting reports about her physical birth time. Some say 8 PM, some say 8 AM, both on the same day. A report from a Chicago newspaper claims a source that says her mother arrived early in the morning and gave birth 12 hours later. There are other reports that claim a late morning birth.

The anacdotal story about Hillary's parents going to the hospital early in the morning and Hillary being born about 12 hours later sounds good. But what is "early" in the morning? 1 PM is early in the morning, for most. I think it would surely mean before sunrise. Speculative at best. As is "she was born 12 hours later". What happened to "she was born 12 hours later at X:xx PM? Why no specific time? This is usually something anticipated and well recorded by parents in the USA. Since Hillary's exact PBT is in question we must speculate. I wonder why no certified birth certificate has surfaced. Surely a birth in a hospital in a major city at that time, 1947, would have registered this birth and issued a birth certificate. Certified Birth Certificates being a matter of public record have been made available to anyone willing to pay a fee in the past. Why hasn't someone come up with her's? Strange.


Shaun Barry, a student of mine has put a lot of research into this matter and conlcuded that 4:05:05 PM is the correct SBT to use.
Shaun has a great website but it is undergoing a major facelift at the time of this writing.

The birth data for the two main contenders is below.

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton

DOB Oct 26, 1947 07:24 PM AHT PBT possibly sometime in the late afternoon.

Edgewater Hospital, Chicago, Illinois This hospital has been shut down and closed up for some time.

41*N 51'19"

87*W 38'15"

 

Donald John Trump

DOB June 14, 1946 10:56 AM. From his birth certificate.

Jamaica Hospital

Queens, New Your City, New York

Positional data is from Google Maps website.

40N41'59"

73W48'55"

This results in the following:

Clinton

Physical Birth Time(PBT) No known time

Spiritual Birth Time(SBT) ASC = 14 Aries 05' 05" [Chart]

Trump

Physical Birth Time(PBT) ASC = 12 Virgo 09' [Chart]

Spiritual Birth Time(SBT) ASC = 27 Cancer 47' 37" [Chart]

Since I deal in accuracies of 4 minutes of arc or less for secondary progressions it is necessary to have a precise location for the birth. That is why I have included, if possible, the hospital location.

The verifying process has previously been done with both charts.

I always use Placidus houses.

Certainly as auspicious an occasion as being elected to the Presidency of the United States will require an activation of the tenth house.

Most applicable aspects are highlighted in red.

This year the election is on the 8th of November 2016. I used 11:59 PM EST for the progressions, because this corresponds to the close of the polls in California at midnight EST. I have added a couple of new methods to my regular routine. Quotidian or Daily Houses and Angular Aspects in Declination.

According to Shaun Barry these tradition aspects are what happening in Clinton's chart in the time frame of this year's election? Let's see.

First the traditional aspects.

1. Progressed ASC contraparallel natal MC—1 minute (I get 2'+) PRO ASC N 23° 12' 36" NAT MC S 23° 14' 25"
2. Progressed Pluto parallel natal Uranus—1+ minute Sun ruler Pluto This is a long term aspect and while valid is not specific to the event date. It is also generational, in that many people have this long term aspect.
3. Progressed MC quincunx natal Pluto—1 minute
4. Progressed Venus quintile natal Jupiter—0 minutes Venus is the Natural house ruler of the NAT Sun but not the Sun's ruler
5. Progressed Mars trine natal MC—5 minutes (separating) Orb too wide. Not valid. (I get 6'+) PRO Mars 7° SAG 28' 34" NAT MC 7° CAP 22' 42" This would be a very strong aspect if within orb as Mars is the ASC ruler.
6. Progressed Sun (in tenth house) semisextile progressed Venus—5+ minutes Orb too wide. Not valid.
7. Progressed Mercury (in tenth house) semisextile progressed Venus (approaching 9 minutes) Orb way too wide. Not valid.
8. Progressed Pluto 165° progressed natal eleventh cusp—0 minutes Sun ruler Pluto.
9. Progressed Uranus parallel progressed Pluto—3 minutes Pluto rules the Sun This is a long term aspect and while valid is not specific to the event date. It is also generational, in that many people have this long term aspect.

Quotidian Houses, I have added these aspects. Because of the speed of Quotidian progressions I allow plus or minus one degree or plus or minus one day for the aspects. These are all Progressed ASC and MC aspects.

Point 1 (House) Asp Point 2 (House) Type Date Time Zone Age Pos1 Pos2
Asc (4) 22.5° Ura (3) Sp-Na Nov 7 2016 01:38:57 am CST 69.035 18°Cn25' D 25°Ge55' R
MC (12) Sqq Mar (5) Sp-Na Nov 7 2016 05:49:46 pm CST 69.037 29°Pi10' D 14°Le10' D
MC (12) 15° Asc (1) Sp-Na Nov 7 2016 06:05:49 pm CST 69.037 29°Pi11' D 14°Ar11' D

MC (12) Sqq Plu (5) Sp-Na Nov 8 2016 08:47:06 am CST 69.038 29°Pi51' D 14°Le51' D
MC (12) Cnj Ari (12) Sp-Na Nov 8 2016 12:04:06 pm CST 69.039 00°Ar00' D 00°Ar00' D
This is very interesting , don't you think? PRO MC moving into Aries.
Asc (4) 112.5° Mon (12) Sp-Na Nov 8 2016 01:03:25 pm CST 69.039 19°Cn36' D 27°Pi06' D

MC (12) Tri Jup (8) Sp-Na Nov 9 2016 01:01:56 am CST 69.040 00°Ar34' D 00°Sg34' D

That PRO MC trine NAT Jupiter on the 9th looks promising. Because of their speed, do Daily House aspects carry as much weight as the regular progressed aspects?

Angular Aspects in Declination. This is a theory of mine that I have been thinking about for some time. Traditional declinations can range up to 28°+. The full range of declination is North or South 90°. As an example the star Polaris, also known as the North or Pole Star has a declination of almost N 90°. My idea is that the angular differences of declinations can be used as an aspect in addition to parallels and contra-parallels. My program DAC easily calculates these angles and best of all its FREE to download.

PRO Neptune declination @ -03° 42' minus 15° = -18° 42' = PRO Venus -18° 43'
PRO Moon declination @ -04° 38' minus 15° = -19° 38' = NAT Jupiter -19° 39'
PRO Mars declination @ +11° 56' minus 15° = -03° 03' = NAT Neptune -03° 07' This is a 4'+ aspect
I can not say that these aspects in southern declinations are a positive factor. Mars and Neptune combinations are usually considered a negative influence. None of Clinton's aspects involve the NAT MC. Neptune rules the PRO MC. Mars rules the NAT ASC.

What is happening in Trump's chart in the time frame of this year's election? Let's see.
1. PRO Mercury, Sun ruler, forming an exact trine to his NAT MC on election day.
2. PRO MC both parallel(4') and conjunct(1') his PRO Uranus on election day.
3. PRO Moon (ASC ruler) is also semi-sextile (30°) exactly, his PRO MC and PRO Uranus on election day. But Uranus is not angular. It is in the 11th and rules the 8th. What might this mean? Could this make the difference?
4. PRO Uranus is parallel(2') his NAT Sun.
5. PRO Pluto is also parallel his NAT Sun at a bit over 5' of arc. Orb too wide. Not valid?
If you want to add in nodal contacts
6. PRO North Node is parallel(30") his NAT Uranus and contra-paralle(3') his NAT Moon.
7. PRO Node is also parallel his NAT Venus at about 4'30". Orb too wide. Not valid?
8. PRO Sun quintile(3') PRO N. Node

Despite conflicting reports from the media about his popularity, it is interesting that Trump's chart has so much activity surrounding Uranus and the Moon and both the NAT MC and PRO MC on the date of the election. In the chart for the USA the Moon (rules the populace of a country) is in Aquarius. In the past most Presidents have a strong Uranus / Aquarius signature in their chart. Hence their popularity with the American people.

Quotidian Houses, I have added these aspects. Because of the speed of Quotidian progressions I allow plus or minus one degree or plus or minus one day for the aspects. These are all Progressed ASC and MC aspects.

Point 1 (House) Asp Point 2 (House) Type Date Time Zone Age Pos1 Pos2
Asc (6) Opp Sat (12) Sp-Na Nov 7 2016 00:23:47 am EST 70.402 23°Cp48' D 23°Cn48' D
MC (4) Qnx Ura (11) Sp-Na Nov 7 2016 06:07:53 am EST 70.402 17°Sc53' D 17°Ge53' D
MC (4) 112.5° Ven (12) Sp-Na Nov 7 2016 11:25:53 am EST 70.403 18°Sc06' D 25°Cn36' D
Sat (1) 105° MC (4) Sp-Sp Nov 7 2016 00:28:48 am EST 70.402 02°Le39' D 17°Sc39' D This ties PRO Saturn and PRO MC together.
Jup (4) Sqr Asc (6) Sp-Sp Nov 7 2016 02:53:16 am EST 70.402 23°Li55' D 23°Cp55' D
Mer (1) Cpl MC (4) Sp-Sp Nov 7 2016 05:36:47 am EST 70.402 +17°09' -17°09' Mercury is the ruler of the Sun in Gemini.
Mar (3) 105° Asc (6) Sp-Sp Nov 7 2016 06:37:58 am EST 70.403 09°Li05' D 24°Cp05' D
Nod (11)Qnx MC (4) Sp-Sp Nov 7 2016 01:38:18 pm EST 70.403 18°Ge11' R 18°Sc11' D


Asc (6) 165° Plu (1) Sp-Na Nov 8 2016 02:35:45 am EST 70.405 25°Cp02' D 10°Le02' D
MC (5) Cnj Hs (5) Sp-Na Nov 8 2016 03:55:00 am EST 70.405 18°Sc46' D 18°Sc46' D This also means PRO IC conjunct 11th house cusp. 11th containing the NAT Sun.
Asc (6) Opp Ven (12) Sp-Na Nov 8 2016 02:26:00 pm EST 70.406 25°Cp36' D 25°Cn36' D

MC (5) SSx Mon (5) Sp-Na Nov 9 2016 06:29:02 am EST 70.408 19°Sc51' D 19°Sg51' D
Asc (6) Qnx Mar (2) Sp-Na Nov 9 2016 01:30:22 pm EST 70.409 26°Cp42' D 26°Le42' D
MC (5) 112.5° Asc (1) Sp-Na Nov 9 2016 05:06:03 pm EST 70.409 20°Sc17' D 27°Cn47' D
Asc (6) 75° MC (10) Sp-Na Nov 9 2016 09:45:56 pm EST 70.410 27°Cp06' D 12°Ar06' D NAT MC activated by PRO ASC
Plu (1) 165° Asc (6) Sp-Sp Nov 9 2016 07:02:25 pm EST 70.409 11°Le58' D 26°Cp58' D
Mer (1) 165° Asc (6) Sp-Sp Nov 9 2016 09:53:58 pm EST 70.410 12°Le07' D 27°Cp07' D

There are a number of aspects involving PRO MC and one involving the NAT MC. Hard to say which might have the strongest influence. But because of their speed do Daily House aspects carry as much weight as the regular progressed aspects?

While both charts show activation of the MC, which is stronger and offers more support? Personally I like to see a direct activation of either the natal or progressed angles(preferably the MC) in either longitude or declination.

Trump has eight aspects involving the Pro MC. Clinton has five. Her MC / Jupiter combination looks strong. But is it enough to beat Trump's Mercury / MC. This is an iffy call because the Daily House cusps are moving so quickly. Presumably the slower the movement of the aspecting point, the stronger the influence. Trump also has the Daily House ASC aspecting his NAT MC. Clinton has no aspects to the NAT MC.

Angular Aspects in Declination. This is a theory of mine that I have been thinking about for some time. Traditional declinations can range up to 28°+. The full range of declination is North or South 90°. As an example the star Polaris, also known as the North or Pole Star has a declination of almost N 90°. My idea is that the angular differences of declinations can be used as an aspect in addition to parallels and contra-parallels. My program DAC easily calculates these angles and best of all its FREE to download.

PRO Saturn declination @ +19° 49' minus 15° = +4° 49' = NAT MC at +4° 47' This ties PRO Saturn and the NAT MC.
PRO Moon declination @ +24° 29' 15" minus 30° = -5° 30' 15" = NAT Jupiter at -5° 34' 58" This aspect is over 4' orb

John always placed an emphasis on the slowest moving aspects. He, like many, thought that the slower the movement the more powerful its affect. Normally the slowest planet by progression in longitude and declination is Pluto. No surprise there. But does that mean that it is has the most power? I would say yes. Also is an aspect that is closer to exact exert a more powerful influence? Since these aspects are at about 05' arc or less it might seem a moot point to say which is the strongest. But again I would say yes to the closeness factor. Remember that many of these slow moving aspects are in orb for long periods of time, sometimes even a full life time. They might not be event specific but instead represent a stage or long time period of life development for the native.

From the charts in my Tecumseh's Curse article and a couple of others, all presidents or candidates, I found some interesting "Presidental Signatures" in the natal charts.
Mercury/Mars/Pluto combinations.
Clinton has Mars conjunct Pluto and they are in a wide 7° square to Mercury
Trump has Mercury semi-sextile Pluto and semi-square Mars
Natal extremes in declination.
Clinton has Pluto, MC and Uranus at 23°+
Trump has: Sun, Moom and Pluto at 23°+ With Mercury well out of bounds at 25°+
Cardinal Angles
Both have Cardianl Angles
Aquarian Signature
Clinton has: Pisces Moon square Gemini in Uranus. Nothing in Aquarius or in the 11th house.
Trump has: Uranus in the 11th house as the most elevated planet along with the Sun. Uranus is conjunct the Sun, near exact trine to Jupiter and opposite the Moon in Sagittarius.

Following your own guidelines or John Wilner's: 4' orb(John often stated that this orb was subjective on his part), parallels of declination and aspects, who would you say will be elected president.
Your choice: (Fill in the blank)

As per John Wilner's guidelines Hillary Clinton has six aspects. The PRO ASC contra-parallel NAT MC is the only aspect directly involving the NAT MC. PRO MC quincunx natal Pluto. She has the PRO Sun and PRO Mercury in the NAT 10th house but neither is being activated within orb on the event date.

There are five for Trump. The strongest and most obvious is PRO Mercury, Sun ruler, forming an exact trine to his NAT MC on election day. And there are two other aspects exact on election day as well with one involving the PRO MC and PRO Uranus parallel his PRO MC.

Is this is a difficult decision to make? The uncertainty of Hillary Clinton's birth data means it took a lot of research and investigation to determine the SBT. The chart works well for her and her life events. Will being President of the USA be one of those things? Shaun Barry thinks so.
I think Trump's chart is far better supported and activated.

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